Hi,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Paul Fertser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fercerpav@gmail.com">fercerpav@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">
</div>And in fact if anybody of those talking about bootmenu, multiboot and<br>
such really needed it he would have done it himself long time ago. I<br>
bet trying and tweaking all distros including Qtopia, Qtmoko, Android,<br>
H:1 etc etc took them 10x time required to build a minimal<br>
bootmenu.<br></blockquote><div><br>Well, this (statements like those above) is why the shoemaker's children is still running around barefoot. :-)<br>(For those not catching the reference - the shoemaker can make shoes for his children at any time, he just never makes it a priority.)<br>
<br>Developers and users have different views of what is required to make a device usable.<br>Unless the developers recognize that, and produce something that the users find acceptable, the device in question will remain a gadget for developers.<br>
<br>I had hopes that I would be able to use my FreeRunner as a user one day, heck I still have that hope. If that doesn't happen I (and probably a few others) will be a bit dissappointed.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hm, i have my "normal" one on uSD and in case i screw something up i<br>
just boot pre-installed 2007 from NAND by pressing AUX button at the<br>
right time (and yes, i can't manage it with 100% success rate but<br>
taking out the battery and trying again is not a big deal).<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Lucky you. I have tried the "press AUX button" trick a lot of times, I can _never_ make Qi boot anything other that the default (first) partition on my SD card. Like this:<br>
- I don't press anything, the default partition gets booted<br>- I press AUX (hopefully at the right time), and Qi never finshes booting anything (not in 5 - 10 minutes anyway).<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">
</div>Someone said that Qi is unusable by "normal" users. I wanted to prove<br>
it wrong.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>IMHO, you failed to prove anything.<br>I still say that Qi is unusable for normal users - it doesn't have a reliable way for users to select which partition to boot.<br><br>
To a user, it might look like this:<br>- U-boot wasn't working correctly with newer (bigger) kernels, so the developer(s) abandoned it<br>- instead they created Qi to be newer, better, faster and so on<br>- Qi isn't living up to promises for users<br>
<br>I'm not saying that such a view is correct, but that is how it can look like from a users view.<br></div></div><br>By derfinition, only developers can fix the software.<br>Now, will any developer step up and fix Qi (or U-boot) so that it will be usable for users?<br>
<br>If no developer wants to scratch that particular itch, the FreeRunner will remain a gadget for developers only.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Torfinn Ingolfsen<br>