best of luck!<div>i'll try to contribute where I can</div><div><br></div><div>y<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seba.dos1@gmail.com">seba.dos1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 16:05, Joshua Judson Rosen <<a href="mailto:rozzin@geekspace.com">rozzin@geekspace.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> "arne anka" <<a href="mailto:openmoko@ginguppin.de">openmoko@ginguppin.de</a>> writes:<br>
>><br>
>> you are definitely off topic.<br>
>> this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss<br>
>> issues with your project or ego.<br>
><br>
> Arne,<br>
><br>
> You're right. So, please forgive the length of this post:<br>
><br>
>> those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have<br>
>> nothing to do with openmoko.<br>
>><br>
>> please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs.<br>
><br>
> I really hadn't intended this to get this crazy, when I posted<br>
> asking Marcus what facilities were available to keep up what he's<br>
> doing upstream and to communicate with the rest of the<br>
> tangoGPS-hacking community.<br>
><br>
> When I asked those questions, they were intended to be quick and easy<br>
> to answer--and the expected quick exchange was indeed relevant to the<br>
> Openmoko community, since there are so many people here who have been<br>
> using and hacking on tangoGPS (or at least trying to).<br>
><br>
> But it's devolved into high-traffic tiff with upstream just calling<br>
> people names, and everyone else sharing their *frustrations*.<br>
><br>
> I don't know if Marcus has actually *watched* (or at least listened to)<br>
> that video that he referenced earlier in the thread (in message-ID<br>
> <20100106111153.776db6ff@acer>, if anyone actually wants to go re-read<br>
> the whole discussion in gmane or something):<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ... but we all should watch it--it's pretty good.<br>
><br>
><br>
> As they say, the community mailing-list isn't a group therapy session.<br>
> It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, anyway.<br>
><br>
><br>
> So, here goes: I'm forking tangoGPS.<br>
><br>
> And this doesn't make me a `poisonous person'. This fork is being done<br>
> with all possible respect, and I do still hope that it will be on the<br>
> best possible terms--perhaps like when EGCS forked from GCC, or when<br>
> people `fork' the Linux kernel to work on new subsystems: a good-natured<br>
> fork to do more `experimental' exploration that may not be immediately<br>
> possible or appropriate for Marcus in tangoGPS. Marcus will be free to<br>
> incorporate whatever work we do on this new fork into future releases<br>
> of tangoGPS, if he likes--on whatever timeline he likes; he'll also<br>
> be free to ignore the parts that he doesn't like. As will everyone else.<br>
><br>
> We're going to have a go at integrating libgps, for example.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm going to try to do my best to provide a sense of leadership and<br>
> direction on this new project (let's call it "foxtrotGPS"--I'm sure we<br>
> can find many reasons for that name; I already have a slew of my own :)),<br>
> and to be responsive when people submit patches for review (and hopefully<br>
> inclusion). Even for people whose patches don't go upstream, we'll have<br>
> a Bazaar VCS repository that you can use to keep track of what we're<br>
> doing upstream and help maintain your patches (branches) going forward.<br>
><br>
> If anyone's interested in relevant public discussion on foxtrotGPS,<br>
> we have the foss-gps mailing list hosted by the folks at OSGeo:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS</a><br>
><br>
> Thank you, Risto, for asking them create it :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus: if you would like to talk about why I feel the need to fork<br>
> your project and am proceeding despite my afore-mentioned reluctance--<br>
> and what, if anything, it means to you--we can talk about that privately.<br>
><br>
> Let me know, and I'll give you my telephone-number--e-mail just doesn't<br>
> seem to have enough bandwidth for us; I'd *really* prefer if we could<br>
> keep things cordial and professional between our two projects.<br>
><br>
><br>
> So, here we go. It'll be an adventure.<br>
> We can dance if we want to.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I know some people are probably going to be very excited by this news,<br>
> but it takes a couple of days to get a fork properly bootstrapped--<br>
> it's not *just* `run through the codebase and change names' :)<br>
><br>
> So please be patient, let your passions cool a *little* bit,<br>
> and there will be something to show this weekend.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you, all.<br>
><br>
> (And thank you, Marcus, especially!)<br>
><br>
><br>
> -rozzin.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> "Don't be afraid to ask (ëf.((ëx.xx) (ër.f(rr))))."<br>
<br>
</div></div>Thanks, I was waiting for that since start of that discussion. If I<br>
were more interested in GPS apps, then I would do that myself ;) But<br>
doing something I won't be able to continue just to show something to<br>
someone would be a non-sense.<br>
<br>
Code available in some decent version control system is a must have to<br>
me when I'm contributing to some project, and in my opinion not having<br>
such SCM is good reason to fork.<br>
<br>
I wish both of projects good, as I like TangoGPS, but I don't like<br>
fact, that it doesn't have any public SCM available for read only<br>
access. I hope everything from FoxtrotGPS that can be merged into<br>
TangoGPS will be merged, and thanks to that both projects will become<br>
better.<br>
<br>
Forks can be both positive and negative, it all depends on people.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak<br>
dos<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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