<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes,<div>this all can be considered for a future version.</div><div><br></div><div>What we wanted to start with is something that just works, is easily available, can be used for experimenting and software development and is not too costly. A nice case, a new PCB for the OMAP processor or using the Gumstix makes things much more expensive.</div><div><br></div><div>@Yocto: what has to be considered is that the Gumstix does not fit into a Freerunner case (it is still too large/thick). </div><div><br></div><div>@ Martijn: the OMAP BGA poses high level requirements for a new PCB. So I would be surprised if one can really get such PCBs for 15 € @ 50 units. But do you have more information? What have been your assumptions about # of layers, min. drill size, min. width etc.?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Nikolaus</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div><div>Am 21.05.2010 um 15:48 schrieb Yocto:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing.</font></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Could we, also, consider the option of using a "smaller" board like the Gumstix Overo ?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">OMAP3503 with ARM Cortex-A8 at 600MHz</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">256MB RAM / 256MB Flash</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">[ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ].</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.gumstix.com">http://www.gumstix.com</a></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">// Yocto</font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="marvad.one@gmail.com" href="mailto:marvad.one@gmail.com">Martijn van Dongen</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="community@lists.openmoko.org" href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">List for Openmoko community discussion</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid</div><div><br></div>Hi,<br>First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner.<br><br>I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion is how to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how to produce and what it costs.<br>I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. I have a price of a PCB (without parts) at low volumes (50 pieces) at less than €15.<br>Assembly of low quantitiy boards will be very expensive (make it double the components price), so a DIY project for assembly of the boards will make the PCB fit for a reasonable price.<br><br>Regards,<br>Martijn<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hns@computer.org">hns@computer.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">There is now a new Wiki page for the project:<br><br> <a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid" target="_blank">http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid</a><br><br>I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice<br>design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it<br>has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection<br>moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very<br>welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given<br>Beagleboard and the Freerunner case.<br><br>Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not<br>assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for<br>your creativity):<br><br> • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on Beagleboard<br> • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works<br> • make it a truly open mobile application development platform by<br>adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick<br> • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels (not from<br>haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed)<br> • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8<br><br>And here some feature list:<br><br> • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle part after<br>cutting a hole)<br> • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset)<br> • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the Freerunner -<br>otherwise it would not fit into the case)<br> • TSC2007 touch screen controller<br> • Microphone<br> • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the Freerunner<br>case)<br> • 2 buttons (AUX and Power)<br> • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons)<br> • vibracall driver<br> • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker<br><br>For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little<br>and then it will be made public.<br><br>Finally, here you can do preorders:<br><br> <a href="http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle" target="_blank">http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle</a><br><br>Nikolaus<br>_______________________________________________<br>Openmoko community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br></blockquote></div><br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmoko community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>Openmoko community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>