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On 11/15/2012 10:24 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote:
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XXWf9aZwqKqS9xt6O9SLjyY26_04NQcMyTWhGdVJc8Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Thanks for your answer Peter<br>
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The law that is trying to decrease cellphone stealing. When you
buy a free cellphone (out of carriers) in order to use it on GSM
network you must:<br>
- Valid buy invoice (as far as they said, they will accept Amazon
and others). In the invoice should be discrimined vendor, model
and IMEI number<br>
- IMEI numbers (software and hardware label) must coincide (this
is good)<br>
- Homologation certificate (you can download certificates for
homologated cellphones in a page)<br>
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You should provide some references to some web-pages writing about
this law (best in English).<br>
There are only two possible effective ways to restrict access to GSM
network (I am aware of - and I am not an GSM specialist):<br>
- restriction based on IMEI and<br>
- restrict all IMEIs except the 'valid' or 'registered' ones (but
what about the foreigners coming to your country?)<br>
- restrict only IMEIs from the list of stolen devices (this is
most common in the world)<br>
- the GSM network operator will not sell you new SIM card for
'non-compliant' device<br>
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AFAIK there is already some law/rules effective in some of the
states of European Union in which the operators should not allow to
connect any device to GSM network with IMEI from the list of stolen
devices.<br>
Here are some references on the internet:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2012-003591&language=EN">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2012-003591&language=EN</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.technewsdaily.com/4040-carriers-stolen-phones.html">http://www.technewsdaily.com/4040-carriers-stolen-phones.html</a><br>
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Now one question I have regarding the OpenMoko - is it possible to
change the IMEI on the software layer - before the phone will
connect to GSM network? Or is it somehow secured on the HW layer by
the modem itself?<br>
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XXWf9aZwqKqS9xt6O9SLjyY26_04NQcMyTWhGdVJc8Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I take what media says about the regulation and
contacted government statement (called Comisión Reguladora de
Comunicaciones -Communications Regulator Entity or so in english-)
for clarification in the terms of the regulation and they pointed
me to a 1997 regulation about homologation process and why they
charge for homologation, 1997 regulation exists since then but
didn't have direct effect on consumers but with the new regulation
that requires homologation certificate in order to activate a
cellphone<br>
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I do not think they will make such restrictions in the GSM network -
just because of the tourism and the foreigners coming to Colombia
just for vacation. But of course I can be wrong in my feelings and
in such case every foreigner willing to use his cell phone in
Colombia should register his device somewhere.<br>
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XXWf9aZwqKqS9xt6O9SLjyY26_04NQcMyTWhGdVJc8Q@mail.gmail.com"
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In example, this [1] (on spanish) is Samsung Galaxy S3 (and other
3 models) homologation certificate. Its tramitted by Samsung's
Colombia executive and they must pay $22668000 (colombian pesos)
what's equivalent to US 12593 (US 3148 aprox for each model). You
see there that an individual who buys a cellphone not for mass
sale or similars but for personal use (let's say we buying one Neo
FreeRunner) don't have that cash to pay. You'll end up paying US
250 for FR and US 3148 for homologation, that makes no sense<br>
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Any possibility for an 'individual' homologization - this is the
case of <probably-former> Slovakian law for
'no-mass-production' cars where the owner of this special car payed
not as much money for this certificate as the reseller.<br>
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XXWf9aZwqKqS9xt6O9SLjyY26_04NQcMyTWhGdVJc8Q@mail.gmail.com"
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Nowdays is absurde to even considering having this requisites to
use a device or other (car, rc toys, etc) given the globalization
and the ease of adquiring items that aren't avaliable in local
stores (or carriers in this case)<br>
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[Un]-Fortunately there is an global activity to implement such
restrictions in GSM network. Unfortunately for the GSM users I
didn't hear about any country in the world telling the GSM network
connection is Human rights as it is in case of Internet connection
in Finland, France, Estonia and others.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">2012/11/15 Peter Viskup <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div class="im"> On 11/15/2012 08:57 PM, Cristian Gómez
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">The law proposes that you can
only <b>use</b> a cellphone in the country if it's
homologated by a local government statement, this
means that one (a carrier commonly) must pay a lot in
order to get one cellphone model homologated, it
doesn't matter if the cellphone fits international
organizations (like FCC) requisites and it's approved
by them.<br>
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The question is how they will enforce this law. Not sure
how they can forbid you to join the GSM network - and what
about foreigners with their own cell phones. It is
probably misunderstanding from your side and it's
applicable only to resellers.<br>
It was the same situation with cars here in Slovakia some
years before for example. Our local law didn't accept any
international homologisation certificates and every new
model had to pass the local slovak homological process
before going to show rooms. Not sure about current
situation in this and what laws are effective for cell
phones and other electronics here in Slovakia.
<div class="im"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> <b>For everyone:</b> <br>
1. Do you know how it's the process to use any
cellphone you want to use even if it's not supported
by any carrier? Is there any homologation process like
in Colombia or just with FCC certificate you're good?
<br>
Please answer this with your country and what you know
about the process<br>
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<as I wrote already - I am not sure><br>
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Best regards,<br>
--<br>
Peter<b><br>
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