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On 11/15/2012 10:35 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote:
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XKYzdLJHmST_AGKfQP4oCBABs0iRS+wvhYqd3dNH8sA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I forget to explain how the forbid of access to the
GSM network will work:<br>
There will be two lists of IMEI's: <br>
- Black List: I think every country have one. There goes the
reported (as stolen or lost) IMEI's<br>
- White List;: With all IMEI's that are allowed to access to GSM
Networks<br>
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The white list restriction is the worst scenario they could choose -
I didn't heard about such setup before. OpenMoko and other users of
no-mass-production (or not usual and probably also older) cell
phones are minority in this case and therefore there is not too much
care of you/them in this case. ;-)<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XKYzdLJHmST_AGKfQP4oCBABs0iRS+wvhYqd3dNH8sA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Right now, all citizen are incouraged to register
their cellphones without providing homologation certificates or
valid invoices to populate White List but from April 2013 (if the
world still spinning) you have to meet all the requisites in order
to register your cellphone into White List<br>
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XKYzdLJHmST_AGKfQP4oCBABs0iRS+wvhYqd3dNH8sA@mail.gmail.com"
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A cellphone that isn't in White List can't access GSM network,
when you buy a free cellphone and you put your SIM Card, when you
do an action (Call, SMS, MMS) your carrier will call you and ask
for provide registration required data and go to an office to do
registration. I think that for roaming they make exceptions and
carriers do the process internally</blockquote>
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cite="mid:CAKGEYb2XKYzdLJHmST_AGKfQP4oCBABs0iRS+wvhYqd3dNH8sA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">That's the process as explained by government entity
and media here in Colombia, I think there'll be issues with this
and as usual, the affected will be the customers. Homologation
requisite is pretty clear I fear as I have direct feedback from
the entity at charge of registration process<br>
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In case the law will become effective with these rules you described
to us - you have the only option - ask OpenMoko community (us) to
sponsor the homologization certificate or 'buy' this homologisation
by yourself (probably with help of other users of OpenMoko in
Colombia).<br>
Or second option - be active and tell the other people and
government these are not the best rules and there are people like
you affected by this law.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">2012/11/15 Cristian Gómez <span
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Thanks for your answer Peter<br>
<br>
The law that is trying to decrease cellphone stealing. When
you buy a free cellphone (out of carriers) in order to use
it on GSM network you must:<br>
- Valid buy invoice (as far as they said, they will accept
Amazon and others). In the invoice should be discrimined
vendor, model and IMEI number<br>
- IMEI numbers (software and hardware label) must coincide
(this is good)<br>
- Homologation certificate (you can download certificates
for homologated cellphones in a page)<br>
<br>
I take what media says about the regulation and contacted
government statement (called Comisión Reguladora de
Comunicaciones -Communications Regulator Entity or so in
english-) for clarification in the terms of the regulation
and they pointed me to a 1997 regulation about homologation
process and why they charge for homologation, 1997
regulation exists since then but didn't have direct effect
on consumers but with the new regulation that requires
homologation certificate in order to activate a cellphone<br>
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In example, this [1] (on spanish) is Samsung Galaxy S3 (and
other 3 models) homologation certificate. Its tramitted by
Samsung's Colombia executive and they must pay $22668000
(colombian pesos) what's equivalent to US 12593 (US 3148
aprox for each model). You see there that an individual who
buys a cellphone not for mass sale or similars but for
personal use (let's say we buying one Neo FreeRunner) don't
have that cash to pay. You'll end up paying US 250 for FR
and US 3148 for homologation, that makes no sense<br>
<br>
Nowdays is absurde to even considering having this
requisites to use a device or other (car, rc toys, etc)
given the globalization and the ease of adquiring items that
aren't avaliable in local stores (or carriers in this case)<br>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.siust.gov.co/siic-archivos/modelos/pdf/201253664.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.siust.gov.co/siic-archivos/modelos/pdf/201253664.pdf</a>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Peter Viskup <span
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<div> On 11/15/2012 08:57 PM, Cristian Gómez
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">The law proposes that
you can only <b>use</b> a cellphone in the
country if it's homologated by a local
government statement, this means that one (a
carrier commonly) must pay a lot in order to
get one cellphone model homologated, it
doesn't matter if the cellphone fits
international organizations (like FCC)
requisites and it's approved by them.<br>
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The question is how they will enforce this law.
Not sure how they can forbid you to join the GSM
network - and what about foreigners with their
own cell phones. It is probably misunderstanding
from your side and it's applicable only to
resellers.<br>
It was the same situation with cars here in
Slovakia some years before for example. Our
local law didn't accept any international
homologisation certificates and every new model
had to pass the local slovak homological process
before going to show rooms. Not sure about
current situation in this and what laws are
effective for cell phones and other electronics
here in Slovakia.
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<blockquote type="cite"> <b>For everyone:</b>
<br>
1. Do you know how it's the process to use
any cellphone you want to use even if it's
not supported by any carrier? Is there any
homologation process like in Colombia or
just with FCC certificate you're good? <br>
Please answer this with your country and
what you know about the process<br>
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<as I wrote already - I am not sure><br>
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Best regards,<br>
--<br>
Peter<b><br>
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