<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 21.02.2014 um 08:26 schrieb Radek Polak:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; "><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote:</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">> I am also convinced that the *real* reason why "Openmoko = failure" in</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">> the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">> no one having broken it during the years when it mattered the most.</div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; "><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">That's your point of view. Point of view of a firmware hacker.</div></div></span></blockquote><br></div><div>and someone who wants to modify history to fit his argumentation.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; ">But there are other points of view. E.g. some people expect the phone ring when friends/wife/customer calls. I had many phones before and 2 phones after (N900 and now Jolla). None of them had any problems with SMS and telephony. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "> </span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. This is one important factor. The other one was simply the economic hiccup end of 2008 why OM had to cancel the already developed GTA03 for simple economic reasons.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; "></div></span></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Openmoko is different - they never provided SW for reliable phone. Openmoko never provided stable maintainable kernel</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is completely different with the GTA04 and why I invite every remaining Openmoko GTA01/02 owner to cannibalize their device for a GTA04A5 motherboard. Because that goal is within reach with the GTA04.</div><div><br></div><div>We have not reached the goal to get the 100% complete and optimal kernel from <a href="http://kernel.org">kernel.org</a> or <a href="http://debian.org">debian.org</a>, but are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline (already with some success). And Replicant 4.2 is starting to work as well.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW: more support for that work from the community would speed up progress.</div><div><br></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "> - instead they wasted their time on doing 4 ugly unusable distros while at the time they had perfectly stable usable and working Qtopia.</span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; "><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">And even 5 years after there is no good kernel for Freerunner. 2.6.29-rc seems quite stable but the patch against mainline is horrible, besides it's power management is worse then it could be. 2.6.39 has hardly nearly unreproducible problem with resume.</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Now we have free firmware which is cool, but the usablity of the phone hasnt changed much.</div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Except for QtMoko which IMHO also should get more support to optimize the last 2%.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Nikolaus</div><div><br></div></body></html>