[gta02-core] gta02-core Digest, Vol 11, Issue 12

[Darío San Martín]

Hello, I will add my preference although we don´t know how much would be the
final price for this combination, but here it goes:

LCM+Battery: 1

Best regards to all.

Darío

2010/4/22 <gta02-core-request at lists.openmoko.org>

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>   1. how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)
>   2. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)
>   3. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Rafael Ignacio Zurita)
>   4. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)
>   5. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (?lvaro Lopes)
>   6.  component hunt: some results (Peter Klassen)
>   7. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Radek Polak)
>   8. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Al Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:07:48 -0300
> From: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org>
> Subject: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <20100421170748.GA3448 at almesberger.net>
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> It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be
> interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,
> I'd like to take another poll.
>
> The last time, the assumption was that we'd attempt to make a device
> that has more or less the feature set of GTA02. Now, depending on the
> availability of certain components, it may be necessary to drop
> some subsystems. We don't know yet which, if any, but I'd like to
> know how any removals would change the demand.
>
> Major items that could have to be removed:
>
> - case: no case parts, just the bare board. The board geometry would
>  still be compatible with GTA02, so someone having an empty GTA02
>  case (or something equivalent) could place the board inside.
>
> - LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has
>  a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.
>
> - battery: there would be no battery. GTA01 and GTA02 batteries and
>  the usual substitutes could be used in their stead.
>
> - GPS: the entire GPS subsystem (chips, antenna, connector) would be
>  absent
>
> - WLAN: the entire WLAN subsystem (module, antenna, and a few smaller
>  components) would be absent
>
> - BT: the entire Bluetooth subsystem (module, antenna, and a few
>  smaller components) would be absent
>
> The overall conditions would be similar to before: the per device cost
> would be about USD 500 (FOB origin, so add shipping costs and any
> customs fees and taxes).
>
> Since the objective would be to pay for the making of the prototypes,
> not the production of commercial-grade devices, the engineering and
> production risk would be on the side of the buyer. If anything
> doesn't work, be it due to flaws in the design or due to manufacturing
> problems, you'd still have to pay for it. (So reviewing the material
> is a form of protecting your investment ;-)
>
> What I'm looking for is an indication of how many units you would want
> given a certain minimum configuration. E.g.,
>
> GPS+WLAN+BT: 2
>
> would mean that you wouldn't want any if GPS, WLAN, or BT were to be
> dropped from the design (but note that they can still fail to work
> due to bugs), but that you wouldn't require case, LCM, or battery.
>
> none: 2
>
> would mean that you don't require any of the above items, i.e., that
> you'd already be happy just to have CPU, audio, USB, and GSM.
>
> If you would actually be happy if something was omitted, please feel
> free to indicate this as well. However, it may not be possible to
> accommodate any individual wishes (besides simple ones, like "no
> battery"), nor would omitting something necessarily change the cost.
>
> This is just to get an idea of what numbers we're talking about,
> without any commitment.
>
> Please feel free to send me a private mail if you don't want to post
> to the list. I'll then post an "anonymized" summary.
>
> Thanks,
> - Werner
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:16:53 -0300
> From: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <20100421171653.GB3448 at almesberger.net>
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>
> Here's my entry:
>
> none: 2
>
> - Werner
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:28:44 -0300
> From: Rafael Ignacio Zurita <rafaelignacio.zurita at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <20100421172844.GA3538 at rafazurita.homelinux.net>
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>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 02:07:48PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be
> > interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,
> > I'd like to take another poll.
>
>  one question : is this offer open ? I mean, just gta02-core
> developers should want/pay gta02-core devices, or it should be
> possible that other guys (no currently helping gta02-core project)
> ask for gta02-core devices? If this question is NOT just for
> gta02-core developers then perhaps we could forward this question to
> other openmoko related lists (for example to community ml, writting an
> email
> with a web link to this thread in the gta02-core mailing list web archive).
>
> Bye,
> Rafael
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:06:45 -0300
> From: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: Rafael Ignacio Zurita <rafaelignacio.zurita at gmail.com>
> Cc: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <20100421190645.GC3448 at almesberger.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote:
> >   one question : is this offer open ? I mean, just gta02-core
> > developers should want/pay gta02-core devices, or it should be
> > possible that other guys (no currently helping gta02-core project)
>
> For the purpose of this poll, it's open to anyone. I.e., I'd
> like to know how many prototype devices people would want if
> we could make an unlimited quantity.
>
> For the actual production, there will be various limits, some
> of them may be quite low.
>
> So not everyone who would be interested may be able to get one,
> in which case gta02-core project contributors would have
> priority.
>
> > If this question is NOT just for gta02-core developers then perhaps we
> > could forward this question to other openmoko related lists (for example
> > to community ml,
>
> I thought of this. It would certainly help to inflate the numbers,
> which is good advertizing ;-)
>
> However, I'm concerned that anyone who isn't at least passively
> following the gta02-core project wouldn't be too happy with what
> they'd get, and I don't want to raise the wrong expectations.
>
> For instance, it may well be that the devices won't work at all
> and we'll never figure out why.
>
> More likely, some things will work and others won't. We may not
> have time to test every feature and to analyze every problem, so
> it may be necessary to make the prototypes with subsystems that
> are defective but may be fixed later (a la buzz fix or #1024).
>
> Some problems may also turn out to be too difficult to fix, e.g.,
> any issues with power consumption.
>
> There may be reliably issues, where a device passes initial
> testing but fails after transport or in the field.
>
> Also, the total number of devices will be very small and there
> will be no direct follow-on model. So it's unlikely that anyone
> will put a lot of effort into maintaining support for the
> platform.
>
> Since it's quite similar to GTA02, most of the software above
> the middleware shouldn't see much of a difference, though.
>
> So this is much more a trophy, a collector's item, or a
> scholarly result than anything approaching a real phone. I
> can't guarantee that it will be completely unusable, though :-)
>
> - Werner
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:50:44 +0100
> From: ?lvaro Lopes <alvieboy at alvie.com>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org>
> Cc: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <4BCF8144.3090207 at alvie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be
> > interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,
> > I'd like to take another poll.
> >
> > The last time, the assumption was that we'd attempt to make a device
> > that has more or less the feature set of GTA02. Now, depending on the
> > availability of certain components, it may be necessary to drop
> > some subsystems. We don't know yet which, if any, but I'd like to
> > know how any removals would change the demand.
> >
> > Major items that could have to be removed:
>
> Although #gta02-core is meant to be a phone, I think we can also add GSM to
> this list. I am not planning to use it as a phone, but maybe add a 3G USB
> modem to
> it - internet is more valuable than GSM calls these days.
>
> Other idea of mine is to use a larger LCD - as long as it has same
> resolution I don't see any obstacle, do you ?
>
> > The overall conditions would be similar to before: the per device cost
> > would be about USD 500 (FOB origin, so add shipping costs and any
> > customs fees and taxes).
>
> Seems acceptable. At least for me.
>
> Now, we might end with a lot of devices with manufacturing defects in
> specific areas, like GPS, GSM, so on. We could as easy name those parts we
> don't mind that
> much being broken - would help deciding who's to get which device. For
> example, I'd like WLAN to be working, but it's not a must. And I don't care
> about GSM (I
> care about GPS just because I'm involved with it, otherwise I would not),
> so others requiring GSM and WLAN would get the OK device, i'd get the other
> one.
>
> ?lvaro
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:13:26 +0200
> From: Peter Klassen <neo.freerunner at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [gta02-core]  component hunt: some results
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi,
> I found both
> Atmel ATR0635-7KQY
> NXP PCF50633HN/04/N3,5
>
> so far I can tell in stock at
>
> http://stock-point.com
>
> unfortunately I haven't found anything about
> shipment quantities.
> Maybe you know them and can say without
> further investigation if they are worth some work.
>
> best
> Peter
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:33:46 +0200
> From: Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <201004221033.46502.psonek2 at seznam.cz>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 19:07:48 Werner Almesberger wrote:
>
> > - LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has
> >   a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.
>
> What does "connect it" mean here? Would i need to disassemble my freerunner
> because of it? FR is my daily phone so if yes then:
>
> LCM: 1
>
> Another question. Would it be possible to use the board without LCD display
> let's say for developing QtMoko distro? I could be comfortable just with
> VNC,
> and SSH via USB. If yes then:
>
> none: 1
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:44:47 +0100
> From: Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?
> To: gta02-core at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID: <201004220944.47629.openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Thursday 22 April 2010, Radek Polak wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 April 2010 19:07:48 Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > > - LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has
> > >   a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.
> >
> > What does "connect it" mean here? Would i need to disassemble my
> freerunner
> > because of it?
>
> That, or get one from somewhere else. There seem to be plenty on ebay.
>
>
>
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