Hello, I will add my preference although we don´t know how much would be the final price for this combination, but here it goes:<br><br>LCM+Battery: 1<br><br>Best regards to all.<br><br>Darío<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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1. how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)<br>
2. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)<br>
3. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Rafael Ignacio Zurita)<br>
4. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Werner Almesberger)<br>
5. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (?lvaro Lopes)<br>
6. component hunt: some results (Peter Klassen)<br>
7. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Radek Polak)<br>
8. Re: how many gta02-core devices ? (Al Johnson)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:07:48 -0300<br>
From: Werner Almesberger <<a href="mailto:werner@openmoko.org">werner@openmoko.org</a>><br>
Subject: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
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It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be<br>
interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,<br>
I'd like to take another poll.<br>
<br>
The last time, the assumption was that we'd attempt to make a device<br>
that has more or less the feature set of GTA02. Now, depending on the<br>
availability of certain components, it may be necessary to drop<br>
some subsystems. We don't know yet which, if any, but I'd like to<br>
know how any removals would change the demand.<br>
<br>
Major items that could have to be removed:<br>
<br>
- case: no case parts, just the bare board. The board geometry would<br>
still be compatible with GTA02, so someone having an empty GTA02<br>
case (or something equivalent) could place the board inside.<br>
<br>
- LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has<br>
a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.<br>
<br>
- battery: there would be no battery. GTA01 and GTA02 batteries and<br>
the usual substitutes could be used in their stead.<br>
<br>
- GPS: the entire GPS subsystem (chips, antenna, connector) would be<br>
absent<br>
<br>
- WLAN: the entire WLAN subsystem (module, antenna, and a few smaller<br>
components) would be absent<br>
<br>
- BT: the entire Bluetooth subsystem (module, antenna, and a few<br>
smaller components) would be absent<br>
<br>
The overall conditions would be similar to before: the per device cost<br>
would be about USD 500 (FOB origin, so add shipping costs and any<br>
customs fees and taxes).<br>
<br>
Since the objective would be to pay for the making of the prototypes,<br>
not the production of commercial-grade devices, the engineering and<br>
production risk would be on the side of the buyer. If anything<br>
doesn't work, be it due to flaws in the design or due to manufacturing<br>
problems, you'd still have to pay for it. (So reviewing the material<br>
is a form of protecting your investment ;-)<br>
<br>
What I'm looking for is an indication of how many units you would want<br>
given a certain minimum configuration. E.g.,<br>
<br>
GPS+WLAN+BT: 2<br>
<br>
would mean that you wouldn't want any if GPS, WLAN, or BT were to be<br>
dropped from the design (but note that they can still fail to work<br>
due to bugs), but that you wouldn't require case, LCM, or battery.<br>
<br>
none: 2<br>
<br>
would mean that you don't require any of the above items, i.e., that<br>
you'd already be happy just to have CPU, audio, USB, and GSM.<br>
<br>
If you would actually be happy if something was omitted, please feel<br>
free to indicate this as well. However, it may not be possible to<br>
accommodate any individual wishes (besides simple ones, like "no<br>
battery"), nor would omitting something necessarily change the cost.<br>
<br>
This is just to get an idea of what numbers we're talking about,<br>
without any commitment.<br>
<br>
Please feel free to send me a private mail if you don't want to post<br>
to the list. I'll then post an "anonymized" summary.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
- Werner<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:16:53 -0300<br>
From: Werner Almesberger <<a href="mailto:werner@openmoko.org">werner@openmoko.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
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Here's my entry:<br>
<br>
none: 2<br>
<br>
- Werner<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:28:44 -0300<br>
From: Rafael Ignacio Zurita <<a href="mailto:rafaelignacio.zurita@gmail.com">rafaelignacio.zurita@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
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Hello,<br>
<br>
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 02:07:48PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:<br>
> It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be<br>
> interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,<br>
> I'd like to take another poll.<br>
<br>
one question : is this offer open ? I mean, just gta02-core<br>
developers should want/pay gta02-core devices, or it should be<br>
possible that other guys (no currently helping gta02-core project)<br>
ask for gta02-core devices? If this question is NOT just for<br>
gta02-core developers then perhaps we could forward this question to<br>
other openmoko related lists (for example to community ml, writting an email<br>
with a web link to this thread in the gta02-core mailing list web archive).<br>
<br>
Bye,<br>
Rafael<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:06:45 -0300<br>
From: Werner Almesberger <<a href="mailto:werner@openmoko.org">werner@openmoko.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: Rafael Ignacio Zurita <<a href="mailto:rafaelignacio.zurita@gmail.com">rafaelignacio.zurita@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
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Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote:<br>
> one question : is this offer open ? I mean, just gta02-core<br>
> developers should want/pay gta02-core devices, or it should be<br>
> possible that other guys (no currently helping gta02-core project)<br>
<br>
For the purpose of this poll, it's open to anyone. I.e., I'd<br>
like to know how many prototype devices people would want if<br>
we could make an unlimited quantity.<br>
<br>
For the actual production, there will be various limits, some<br>
of them may be quite low.<br>
<br>
So not everyone who would be interested may be able to get one,<br>
in which case gta02-core project contributors would have<br>
priority.<br>
<br>
> If this question is NOT just for gta02-core developers then perhaps we<br>
> could forward this question to other openmoko related lists (for example<br>
> to community ml,<br>
<br>
I thought of this. It would certainly help to inflate the numbers,<br>
which is good advertizing ;-)<br>
<br>
However, I'm concerned that anyone who isn't at least passively<br>
following the gta02-core project wouldn't be too happy with what<br>
they'd get, and I don't want to raise the wrong expectations.<br>
<br>
For instance, it may well be that the devices won't work at all<br>
and we'll never figure out why.<br>
<br>
More likely, some things will work and others won't. We may not<br>
have time to test every feature and to analyze every problem, so<br>
it may be necessary to make the prototypes with subsystems that<br>
are defective but may be fixed later (a la buzz fix or #1024).<br>
<br>
Some problems may also turn out to be too difficult to fix, e.g.,<br>
any issues with power consumption.<br>
<br>
There may be reliably issues, where a device passes initial<br>
testing but fails after transport or in the field.<br>
<br>
Also, the total number of devices will be very small and there<br>
will be no direct follow-on model. So it's unlikely that anyone<br>
will put a lot of effort into maintaining support for the<br>
platform.<br>
<br>
Since it's quite similar to GTA02, most of the software above<br>
the middleware shouldn't see much of a difference, though.<br>
<br>
So this is much more a trophy, a collector's item, or a<br>
scholarly result than anything approaching a real phone. I<br>
can't guarantee that it will be completely unusable, though :-)<br>
<br>
- Werner<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:50:44 +0100<br>
From: ?lvaro Lopes <<a href="mailto:alvieboy@alvie.com">alvieboy@alvie.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: Werner Almesberger <<a href="mailto:werner@openmoko.org">werner@openmoko.org</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
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Werner Almesberger wrote:<br>
> It's been a while since the last time I asked how many people would be<br>
> interested in a gta02-core device. For planning ahead on components,<br>
> I'd like to take another poll.<br>
><br>
> The last time, the assumption was that we'd attempt to make a device<br>
> that has more or less the feature set of GTA02. Now, depending on the<br>
> availability of certain components, it may be necessary to drop<br>
> some subsystems. We don't know yet which, if any, but I'd like to<br>
> know how any removals would change the demand.<br>
><br>
> Major items that could have to be removed:<br>
<br>
Although #gta02-core is meant to be a phone, I think we can also add GSM to this list. I am not planning to use it as a phone, but maybe add a 3G USB modem to<br>
it - internet is more valuable than GSM calls these days.<br>
<br>
Other idea of mine is to use a larger LCD - as long as it has same resolution I don't see any obstacle, do you ?<br>
<br>
> The overall conditions would be similar to before: the per device cost<br>
> would be about USD 500 (FOB origin, so add shipping costs and any<br>
> customs fees and taxes).<br>
<br>
Seems acceptable. At least for me.<br>
<br>
Now, we might end with a lot of devices with manufacturing defects in specific areas, like GPS, GSM, so on. We could as easy name those parts we don't mind that<br>
much being broken - would help deciding who's to get which device. For example, I'd like WLAN to be working, but it's not a must. And I don't care about GSM (I<br>
care about GPS just because I'm involved with it, otherwise I would not), so others requiring GSM and WLAN would get the OK device, i'd get the other one.<br>
<br>
?lvaro<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:13:26 +0200<br>
From: Peter Klassen <<a href="mailto:neo.freerunner@googlemail.com">neo.freerunner@googlemail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [gta02-core] component hunt: some results<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:v2y5074ed511004220113wa52e4d8dsfa9fed3220924d81@mail.gmail.com">v2y5074ed511004220113wa52e4d8dsfa9fed3220924d81@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hi,<br>
I found both<br>
Atmel ATR0635-7KQY<br>
NXP PCF50633HN/04/N3,5<br>
<br>
so far I can tell in stock at<br>
<br>
<a href="http://stock-point.com" target="_blank">http://stock-point.com</a><br>
<br>
unfortunately I haven't found anything about<br>
shipment quantities.<br>
Maybe you know them and can say without<br>
further investigation if they are worth some work.<br>
<br>
best<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:33:46 +0200<br>
From: Radek Polak <<a href="mailto:psonek2@seznam.cz">psonek2@seznam.cz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
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On Wednesday 21 April 2010 19:07:48 Werner Almesberger wrote:<br>
<br>
> - LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has<br>
> a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.<br>
<br>
What does "connect it" mean here? Would i need to disassemble my freerunner<br>
because of it? FR is my daily phone so if yes then:<br>
<br>
LCM: 1<br>
<br>
Another question. Would it be possible to use the board without LCD display<br>
let's say for developing QtMoko distro? I could be comfortable just with VNC,<br>
and SSH via USB. If yes then:<br>
<br>
none: 1<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Radek<br>
<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:44:47 +0100<br>
From: Al Johnson <<a href="mailto:openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk">openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [gta02-core] how many gta02-core devices ?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org">gta02-core@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:201004220944.47629.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk">201004220944.47629.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk</a>><br>
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On Thursday 22 April 2010, Radek Polak wrote:<br>
> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 19:07:48 Werner Almesberger wrote:<br>
> > - LCM: the device would come without the LCD display. Anyone who has<br>
> > a GTA01 or GTA02 LCD display could connect it.<br>
><br>
> What does "connect it" mean here? Would i need to disassemble my freerunner<br>
> because of it?<br>
<br>
That, or get one from somewhere else. There seem to be plenty on ebay.<br>
<br>
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