Sad Story

Marcus Stong stongo at
Fri Dec 12 20:14:12 CET 2008

I agree with this whole thread of Openmoko's fatal mistake of moving on 
to GTA03 with GTA02 still being unstable and unusable as a primary 
phone. If GTA02 gets left behind in the dust without ever working 
properly, it doesn't say much for their company. If Openmoko feels the 
hardware of GTA02 is inadequate to even bother making it a stable phone, 
there should be some sort of recall and free replacement with a GTA03. 
$399 for a phone that never worked properly is pretty hard to swallow, 
and even harder to swallow when the company expects people to buy a new 
phone while blatantly ignoring that same community of users who have 
invested time and money in developing and testing their original phones.

- Marcus

Karthik Kumar wrote:
> I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's
> selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for
> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just
> get fired/have to face bad consequences.
> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to
> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer?
> -Karthik
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul <paultsai at> wrote:
>> My experience, as I'm sure with many other people, with my freerunner
>> has been frustrating most of the time.  To say, its all on the user is
>> wrong.  Granted the community could be better, however, its hard to
>> contribute when everything is so fragmented.
>> For instance, about the echo problem, one of the developers for
>> OpenMoko stated "Since there are different hw versions out there (a5,
>> a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all
>> models."  Wait a sec.  If the developers know the issues, What's
>> preventing the if statement that would prevent hundreds of hours of
>> tweaking, testing, and frustration for the community?
>> Let's be honest here FIC is making a pretty penny off of OpenMoko,
>> using very old hardware selling at a premium price (2.5g not even
>> EDGE).  Yet we are OK with that.  What the community DOES expect is
>> basic support, for starters a phone that makes calls without echoing,
>> doesn't drop connection and sends and receives text messages reliably
>> as the Number 1 priority.  If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the
>> working code in OpenMoko is from Trolltech.  In addition FSO has a
>> very nice distro and the Freerunner isn't even its main device.  Yet
>> more than 1 year AFTER the release of the 1974, we still have MAJOR
>> issues from a basic install of Om.  Then we read stuff like this.
>> "OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for
>> qtopia is fairly limited."
>> It becomes evident that FIC and Openmoko cares less about creating
>> reliably working software then it does about moving products.  (not
>> blaming the developers here, they get pressure) Follow the next link
>> and I think I've made my case.
>> Now with that said, I will be posting online my howtos including
>> scripts to make a kinda stable variant of FDOM soon.  Been too busy
>> reflashing my phone.
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar at> wrote:
>>> You should have fixed the GTA02 months back, when you released it.
>>> Instead, you people are working on GTA03/Neo Whatever. It proves that
>>> you don't care about the community, You just care about the bunch of
>>> people who might want to buy your upcoming phones, who sponsor your own
>>> selfish causes and suffer while you are working on GTA04.
>> --
>> Paul
>> Email - paultsai at
>> There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through
>> which he could realize his conception of the beautiful.
>> Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray
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