Experiences with GTA02 and OM2008.12 (was part of the "Brick" thread)

Wolfgang Spraul wolfgang at openmoko.com
Sun Jan 18 12:52:10 CET 2009


> The GTA01 folks waited almost 2 years and now OM has dropped support  
> for that device, so they're stuck with a puck.  OM has clearly said  
> they will NOT be working on GTA01 and more, and there's not a stable  
> image for it, probably never will be.

Repeating rumors again and again still doesn't make them true.
There are few GTA01 out there (ca. 2000 were sold, maybe only a few  
hundred active ones remain today?).
The paid employees of Openmoko support it. Just a few weeks ago I  
recovered a GTA01 and sent it to Balaji, for continued GTA01 support  
(he's not the only one, I'm just giving you an example of someone who  
recently _STARTED_ to support GTA01).

If you look at FSO, the base of our upcoming distribution, did you  
notice that they always build GTA01 and GTA02 images?
See http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/
Why do you think they do that? They forgot to turn off the GTA01  
builds and listen to the bad orders from management telling them to  
stop supporting GTA01? :-)

I'm not saying GTA01 support is perfect. It isn't. That's probably  
where the rumors of dropped support come from - dissatisfaction with  
the level of support.
Since the number of GTA02 users is larger, we allocate resources  
proportionally. I think that's only fair. Some people mainly work on  
GTA02, some people mainly work on GTA03. At lot of people actually  
work on pieces of software that is not device-specific.
But continuously claiming GTA01 support was dropped is just wrong, and  
if you say "OM has clearly said they will NOT be working on GTA01"  
then please give me at least a more specific source who said it and in  
which context.

Best Regards, way to go GTA01 :-)

On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Craig Woodward wrote:

> ---- Neil Benn <neil.benn at ziath.com> wrote:
>> Hmm, to be fair the webpage itself says that the FreeRunner is only  
>> for power users and developers and is not ready for the general  
>> consumer.
> Yes Neil, it does NOW.  But 9 months ago when FIC originally started  
> selling the FreeRunner, when *I* bought it, they clearly said on the  
> order page that this was a "consumer ready device".  That's one of  
> the main gripes a lot of us from the initial buy are having.  The  
> GTA01 was always listed as a development device.  But when the GTA02  
> launched, FIC called it "consumer ready", and now many months later  
> they're back peddling on that and re-branding it because they can't  
> deliver what they sold.
> To be clear, I'll say it again:  Nine months ago FIC called this  
> "consumer ready", and the words "development kit" where nowhere on  
> the order page.  No matter what they say NOW, 9 months ago when  
> people bough the phone, they bought it under false pretenses.  And  
> with *nobody* in the forums or groups owning one, there were no  
> "whiners" saying there were issues.
> I know... I looked at the forums, and read the lists before shelling  
> out several hundred dollars.  Everything looked like this was  
> stable, that FIC was reputable, and the phone would be ready out of  
> the box, or at least was close to it. In fact, some GTA01 users  
> (like some recent 02 users here) said they were using the GTA01 as a  
> phone, with the "matchbox" image (now known as OM).  The only  
> indicator anything was wrong was rumblings that *maybe* there was an  
> issue around battery life, due to lack of sleep mode.  I'd take that  
> right now... I can buy more batteries.  I can't buy a working image  
> that has stable GSM/SMS.
>> I actually purchased it for a handheld device which can act as a  
>> USB host
> And for that purpose, and many others, it's a GREAT device.  I've  
> used mine as a GPS for several months via TangoGPS by pre-loading  
> maps though USB to a uSD card.  With OM2008.12 I can now setup GPRS  
> and download the maps on the fly (if I needed to... they're all on  
> card now though).  As a PDA/GPS, this could be a great device.  But  
> I really don't need a $400 PDA/GPS... I need a cell phone.
> I'll report more on the other dirstros I've tried later, but so far  
> nothing has been very solid in the GSM category.  GPS and USB seem  
> to work on everything, which is great.  Bluetooth and Wifi either  
> aren't available at all or only have limited use in most images.   
> And GSM/SMS service is really hit or miss, though ironically GPRS is  
> pretty stable on OM. On some distros though you have to choose one  
> or the other, since the mux package isn't available (or doesn't  
> work) for all the images. :P
> As for comments from others about "waiting for OM" to get the  
> software together, that's what I'm worried about.  The GTA01 folks  
> waited almost 2 years and now OM has dropped support for that  
> device, so they're stuck with a puck.  OM has clearly said they will  
> NOT be working on GTA01 and more, and there's not a stable image for  
> it, probably never will be.  With GTA03 due out sometime this year,  
> the clock starts ticking on the GTA02.  With the speed things are  
> going, I'm not sure waiting is going to see a stable image for the  
> GTA02 before OM decides to drop support.  And OM has NOT countered  
> this argument, but in fact has confirmed that their current  
> development is focusing on changes to support the GTA03 and "other  
> compatible open source handsets".
> I'm just not sure I'm willing to gamble several hundred dollars that  
> anyone involved will do in the next year what was promised for the  
> past two: release a stable working base image for a GTA device.   
> Especially when OM is proclaiming loudly that they're not FIC, FIC  
> has downgraded the GTA02 from a "consumer ready phone" to a  
> development platform, and both have completely abandoned the GTA01  
> crowd.
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