Wolfgang, thanks for an actual credible, thoughtful response...<br>Andy, do you actually work for openmoko? If you do, that is a very scary thought that someone from openmoko would be shooting their mouth off and disrespecting concerned members of the openmoko community, who are expressing valid frustrations...<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolfgang@openmoko.com">wolfgang@openmoko.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Karthik,<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just<br>
> get fired/have to face bad consequences.<br>
<br>
</div>Honestly, together with pretty much everything else you say, it's wrong.<br>
In fact internally I am known as the one who kicks people if they<br>
don't post publicly :-)<br>
Your problem is that pretty much everybody already does what you<br>
think they should do, so no matter how long you wait, you won't see<br>
the kind of complaint like "bad management forces us to work on next-<br>
gen product to rip off community".<br>
<br>
GTA01, GTA02 and GTA03 are very close, basically one platform. The<br>
few people who work on gta03 hardware (2 to be precise) implicitly<br>
contribute to the whole platform. The vast majority works on gta02<br>
and gta01. Actually I am thinking about trying to buy some gta01 back<br>
from the community. They are quite legendary and we have too few<br>
internally. 2 in Taipei, for example. We wish we could do more<br>
testing & bug-fixing on gta01. It's the same platform anyway, and in<br>
addition we can support our customers.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to<br>
> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer?<br>
<br>
</div>Show me opportunities. Management needs to direct the company towards<br>
opportunities.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888">Wolfgang<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
On 2008-12-13, at $B>e8a(B2:54, Karthik Kumar wrote:<br>
<br>
> I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's<br>
> selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for<br>
> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just<br>
> get fired/have to face bad consequences.<br>
><br>
> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to<br>
> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer?<br>
><br>
> -Karthik<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul <<a href="mailto:paultsai@gmail.com">paultsai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> My experience, as I'm sure with many other people, with my freerunner<br>
>> has been frustrating most of the time. To say, its all on the<br>
>> user is<br>
>> wrong. Granted the community could be better, however, its hard to<br>
>> contribute when everything is so fragmented.<br>
>><br>
>> For instance, about the echo problem, one of the developers for<br>
>> OpenMoko stated "Since there are different hw versions out there (a5,<br>
>> a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits<br>
>> all<br>
>> models." Wait a sec. If the developers know the issues, What's<br>
>> preventing the if statement that would prevent hundreds of hours of<br>
>> tweaking, testing, and frustration for the community?<br>
>><br>
>> Let's be honest here FIC is making a pretty penny off of OpenMoko,<br>
>> using very old hardware selling at a premium price (2.5g not even<br>
>> EDGE). Yet we are OK with that. What the community DOES expect is<br>
>> basic support, for starters a phone that makes calls without echoing,<br>
>> doesn't drop connection and sends and receives text messages reliably<br>
>> as the Number 1 priority. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the<br>
>> working code in OpenMoko is from Trolltech. In addition FSO has a<br>
>> very nice distro and the Freerunner isn't even its main device. Yet<br>
>> more than 1 year AFTER the release of the 1974, we still have MAJOR<br>
>> issues from a basic install of Om. Then we read stuff like this.<br>
>><br>
>> "OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for<br>
>> qtopia is fairly limited."<br>
>><br>
>> It becomes evident that FIC and Openmoko cares less about creating<br>
>> reliably working software then it does about moving products. (not<br>
>> blaming the developers here, they get pressure) Follow the next link<br>
>> and I think I've made my case.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc" target="_blank">http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc</a><br>
>><br>
>> Now with that said, I will be posting online my howtos including<br>
>> scripts to make a kinda stable variant of FDOM soon. Been too busy<br>
>> reflashing my phone.<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Karthik Kumar<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:karthikkumar@gmail.com">karthikkumar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> You should have fixed the GTA02 months back, when you released it.<br>
>>> Instead, you people are working on GTA03/Neo Whatever. It proves<br>
>>> that<br>
>>> you don't care about the community, You just care about the bunch of<br>
>>> people who might want to buy your upcoming phones, who sponsor<br>
>>> your own<br>
>>> selfish causes and suffer while you are working on GTA04.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Paul<br>
>> Email - <a href="mailto:paultsai@gmail.com">paultsai@gmail.com</a><br>
>><br>
>> There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through<br>
>> which he could realize his conception of the beautiful.<br>
>> Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray<br>
>><br>
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