community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

Ortwin Regel ortwin at gmail.com
Thu Jul 19 22:46:10 CEST 2007


Seconded!
Please open a forum.openmoko.org ! I'd love to post some spontaneous ideas,
discuss stuff, ask and answer small questions etc. but I often don't want to
spam the whole mailing list with it.

Ortwin

On 7/19/07, Ryan Lozier <rlozier at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there an openmoko forum? I am really sick of reading this mailing list
> for the last year to find subjects im interested in. If there is one, please
> someone point me to it, and im not talking about the wiki. I mean, where
> would someone go if they had a question about a particular function of the
> phone or one of the softwares? This mailinglist? If there is no forum yet,
> we need one.
> ryan.
>
> On 7/19/07, community-request at lists.openmoko.org <community-request at lists.openmoko.org>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Daniel Robinson)
> >   2. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Peter Trapp)
> >   3. Re: projects of interest? (Shakthi Kannan)
> >   4. Operator Acceptance Testing (Shakthi Kannan)
> >   5. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Ian Stirling)
> >   6. Re: Possible App - Security (Christian St?ble)
> >   7. Re: Possible App - Security (Henryk Pl?tz)
> >   8. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Rodolphe Ortalo)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Daniel Robinson" <dgrobinson at dgrobinson.com>
> > To:  community at lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:15:28 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> > I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info
> > coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have
> > been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover, there
> > hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.  All that has
> > been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you
> > get your dev unit.
> >
> > Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some
> > blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots?
> >
> >
> > On 7/19/07, Giles Jones < giles.jones at zen.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Benjamin Flanagin < bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net> wrote :
> > >
> > > > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be
> > > in
> > > > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm
> > > ready
> > > > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> > > >
> > >
> > > One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> > > processed.
> > >
> > > There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two
> > > kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
> > >
> > > Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > G O Jones
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OpenMoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Peter Trapp <openmoko at genial.ms>
> > To:
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:39:42 +0200
> > Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> > I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
> > delivery date. On
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
> >
> > Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
> > another GTA01 batch if needed?
> >  >Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02   2
> > month later...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Daniel Robinson wrote:
> > > I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info
> > > coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that
> > > have been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover,
> > > there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.
> > > All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another
> > > email, then you get your dev unit.
> > >
> > > Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some
> > > blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* < giles.jones at zen.co.uk
> > > <mailto: giles.jones at zen.co.uk>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Benjamin Flanagin < bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net
> > >     <mailto:bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net>> wrote :
> > >
> > >     > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not
> >
> > >     be in
> > >     > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet?
> > >     I'm ready
> > >     > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> > >     >
> > >
> > >     One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> > >     processed.
> > >
> > >     There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's
> > >     two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
> > >
> > >     Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
> > >
> > >     ---
> > >     G O Jones
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <shakthimaan at gmail.com >
> > To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:46:01 +0200
> > Subject: Re: projects of interest?
> > Hi,
> >
> > > On 7/19/07, Andreas Jellinghaus < aj at dungeon.inka.de > wrote:
> > > I would like to train my vocabulary while in the subway.
> > > a simple application that shows me a word, and when I tab
> > > ob it the translation with two buttons ok / wrong
> >
> > I use FlashBack (but, no sound support):
> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/flashback
> >
> > It will be useful to have an application like the above with sound
> > support.
> >
> > If there are a number of people interested in contributing some .ogg
> > sounds for alphabets/words, we can even make it as a language learning
> > tool!
> >
> > Of course, grammar for each language should be addressed. Also,
> > translation of words for different languages will be useful.
> >
> > SK
> >
> > --
> > Shakthi Kannan
> > http://www.shakthimaan.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <shakthimaan at gmail.com>
> > To:  community at lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:01:12 +0200
> > Subject: Operator Acceptance Testing
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like your thoughts on how FIC or the community is going to
> > work on Operator Acceptance Testing and Interoperability Testing for
> > the Neo1973.
> >
> > I see some GSM implementation here:
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM02.07
> >
> > Has anyone had a chance to have a discussion with operators on this?
> >
> > Appreciate any inputs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > SK
> >
> > --
> > Shakthi Kannan
> > http://www.shakthimaan.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Ian Stirling <OpenMoko at mauve.plus.com>
> > To:  openmoko at genial.ms
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:04:44 +0100
> > Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> > Peter Trapp wrote:
> > > I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
> > > delivery date. On
> > >
> > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
> > >
> > > Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
> > > another GTA01 batch if needed?
> > >  >Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six
> > weeks.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02
> > 2
> > > month later...
> > >
> >
> > Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely
> > that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so.
> > It is very likely that there will be a delay.
> >
> > If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th
> >
> > - after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the
> > 8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping.
> > So, at best, another month.
> >
> > At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6
> > weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
> > door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Christian Stüble < stueble at sirrix.com>
> > To: ramsesoriginal <ramsesoriginal at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:11:11 +0200
> > Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
> > Moin moin,
> >
> > the problem with voice encryption on mobile phones is not the
> > cryptographic
> > scheme. Its the (relatively small) bandwidth, especially on the GSM Data
> > channel, and the latency due to lots of buffers.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 09:35 schrieb ramsesoriginal:
> > > Ok, I never made nothing with encryption on phones, but wouldn't it be
> > > enough to make some sort of public key system, which works as follows:
> >
> > > When i want to cal lsomeone, the phone generates a random digit.. . IT
> > > encodes it with the public key of the reciver and when he acepts the
> > call,
> > > it sends it. The reciver derypts it. And then simply encrypt the call
> > with
> > > this session key. Or did i miss something?
> > >
> > > On 7/18/07, Christian Stüble <stueble at sirrix.com> wrote:
> > > > Hola,
> > > >
> > > > we are planning to develop several security-related applications on
> > top
> > > > of the
> > > > Neo device. Voice encryption is only one of them.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 11:36 schrieb COMINT:
> > > > > Hi there
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow
> > secure
> > > > > voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for one or more people that would be interested in
> > working
> > > > > together to get something running on the neo.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone is interested please drop me an email.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Vorstand: Ammar Alkassar (Vors.), Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Christian
> > Stüble
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> > --
> > Sirrix AG security technologies - http://www.sirrix.com
> > Tel: +49(234) 610071-111,     Fax: +49(234) 610071-500
> > Public key on demand.
> > Fingerprint 8678 C5D3 CAD9 CD8C  F1DD B8EC 202F 116A
> >
> > Vorstand: Ammar Alkassar (Vors.), Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Christian Stüble
> > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Kai Rannenberg
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> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Henryk Plötz < henryk at openmoko.org>
> > To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:08:52 +0200
> > Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
> > Moin,
> >
> > Am Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:36:56 +0100 schrieb COMINT:
> >
> > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure
> > > voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
> >
> > The main problem that you're facing when you want to do voice encryption
> >
> > using the GSM data facility is not the encryption part: there are good
> > and working libraries and examples available so that this is almost
> > straight forward (if you need an inspiration just look at
> > cryptophone.de). Encryption and key handshake are solved problems,
> > especially if you have a device as powerful as the Neo. Your actual
> > problem will be finding a voice codec that you can use in spite of the
> > ridiculously low bandwidth of GSM data calls.
> >
> > --
> > Henryk Plötz
> > Grüße aus Berlin
> > ~ Help Microsoft fight software piracy: Give Linux to a friend today! ~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Rodolphe Ortalo < rodolphe.ortalo at free.fr>
> > To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:09:48 +0200
> > Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> > Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 18:04 +0100, Ian Stirling a écrit :
> > [...]
> > > At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is
> > 6
> > > weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
> > > door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
> > [...]
> >
> > Sob. ("Snif" in original language.)
> > Well, that's not such bad news if there are lots of orders...
> > BOOUUUHH...
> >
> > Rodolphe
> >
> > I will really need to to write yet another toy app to wait until then,
> > any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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