I'm sorry , that's my fault (was:GTA03 wish list (was: What US plans are people using?))

[David Samblas Martinez]

--- steve <steve at openmoko.com> escribió:
> Either this is NOT a real goal of Openmoko or the
> developers suck at
> it. There are SEVERAL applications on Openmoko that
> require a stylus
> (many of the games, for instance). As far as I know,
> the criteria
> "Openmoko apps must be usable with fingers" has
> never been set.
>
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016014.html
> 
> Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but the person who said
> that isn't a
> developer, let alone someone with the authority to
> ensure the
> developers comply with that directive on Openmoko
> released
> applications.
> 
I'm sorry , not I'm not a developer and don't even
wanted ro restart a flame, I will think twice before I
 reply and I will tag my opinions clearly as they are
Only Happy Enthusiastic Freerunner User Wannabe
Opinions (OHEFUWO)
In this case I  have arrived when the fingers fans
were more active in the list and I only have a
partially view of this issue, but now I realize that I
was wrong and OM 
is a (evolutioning) mixture of finger/stylus
distribution. 
So even this post
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016224.html
Have some flame material caused by my own
missinformation, so please ignore them or not take
them too seriously.
Thanks you all of your patience with these bigmouth
--- steve <steve at openmoko.com> escribió:

> 
> 
> We had a many debates about this: finger fans on one
> side, stylus guys on
> the other side. In the end the spirit of openness
> prevailed. Since its open
> source we cannot require or determine or impose any
> kind of "thou shalt not
> use thy finger" or " thou shalt use the stylus" 
> 
> Generally speaking I think a good portion of us in
> OM, would like to see a
> finger thing, falling back to stylus when the finger
> simply cannot do the
> job.
> 
> So internally a flexible pragmatic philosophy,
> externally, folks
> can do whatever floats their boat. as it should be.
> 
> So, the Box contains a stylus. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org
> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Dean
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:00 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: GTA03 wish list (was: What US plans are
> people using?)
> 
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Stroller
> <linux.luser at myrealbox.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >   One of the objectives of openmoko is to no need
> to use the stylus
> >   at all ...  When devels talk about "mokofy"
> (port to openmoko) some
> >   aplication one of the chalenges is to use it
> with out stylus.
> 
> Either this is NOT a real goal of Openmoko or the
> developers suck at
> it. There are SEVERAL applications on Openmoko that
> require a stylus
> (many of the games, for instance). As far as I know,
> the criteria
> "Openmoko apps must be usable with fingers" has
> never been set.
> 
> 
> >
> > 
>
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016014.html
> 
> Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but the person who said
> that isn't a
> developer, let alone someone with the authority to
> ensure the
> developers comply with that directive on Openmoko
> released
> applications.
> 
> >
> >  I was VERY pleased the other day to read this, as
> I find it fiddly to
> mess
> > around with a stylus.
> 
> I hate the stylus with a PASSION too. In my opinion,
> this is NOT a
> GTA03 issue but a GTA02 issue. There's debate ove
> the box contents of
> the Freerunner. If the box does NOT include a
> stylus, I think the
> software applications MUST be written in a way that
> is functional
> without it. I'm of the opinion that everything
> needed to use the
> device must be included in the box. You don't NEED
> an SD card to use
> the Freerunner but you DO need a battery. If the
> software that will be
> "Openmoko" REQUIRES a stylus, I think it's really a
> crappy thing to do
> for Openmoko NOT to ship one with the box.
> 
> Making this decision is, in my opinion, important
> NOW.
> 
> >
> >  Despite previous phones I've owned having stylus
> holders, I have always
> > lost them. I guess a stylus holder simply doesn't
> actually _hold_ so well.
> 
> The idea of a device that "does everything" is to
> eliminate the need
> to carry around an address book, an ipod, a GPS
> navigation device, a
> calculator and so on. Without a way to tuck the
> stylus away it's
> adding to the number of items a person has to carry
> around (and
> track). I personally carry my Neo, my wallet and my
> car keys (which
> actually CAN work as a stylus, as long as I'm not
> driving). I don't
> carry a pen and I don't carry a stylus. A dependancy
> on the stylus on
> the applications would INCREASE the number of things
> I have to carry
> around (which to me, decreases the value of a Neo).
> 
> >
> >  Apart from this, it always seems to me much more
> natural to use my
> fingers,
> > but of course on previous phones the on-screen
> buttons are too small.
> >
> >  I would love a link, if anyone has one, to
> official developer
> documentation
> > stating the no-stylus requirement.
> 
> 
> As far as I know, there isn't one. In fact, I think
> the guildelines
> for application development are either non-existant,
> incomplete or
> flat out disregarded. This is something that raises
> a bit of
> uncertainty... What toolkits are supposed to be
> used? (GTK is in the
> default image, but Illume is an Openmoko project
> that uses EFL...
> Should EFL be considered a part of the default
> Openmoko stack? What UI
> conventions are there? Some Openmoko apps use popups
> (like adding a
> new contact from dialer) where as the vast majority
> of others use a
> tab based system (like adding a new playlist in
> Media Player).
> 
> >From my perspective, there's not much organization
> on what actually
> should happen on Openmoko to keep things consistant
> (keeping in mind
> that the KDE/Gnome working together like crap is a
> BIG reason
> GNU/Linux looses mass appeal - people demand
> consistancy. It's why
> Apple's products are instantly recognizable and
> revered for being
> "sexy".)
> 
> 
> >
> >  Stroller.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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