Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

[Parchet Michaël]

Hello,

Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ?

Thanks for your answer.

Best regards

mparchet

> Le 5 oct. 2013 à 09:11, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com> a écrit :
> 
> 
>> Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>> 
>>> You are mixing Free dom with Free Beer.
>> 
>> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
>> 
>>> But: some people are able to jump out of the window. So do you do as well?
>> 
>> I followed the FSF and Debian out the window a long time ago and I am
>> fairly happy with the result.
> 
> Yes, but they all decided themselves to volunteer to contribute to FSF and Debian.
> For no payment (or by being paid by others). And I have done that as well.
> 
> But it was always *my* decision to volunteer or not. And that is not something
> we can discuss or you can convince me.
> 
>> 
>>> Strange argument... jOERG is right...
>> 
>> To me his mail was a bizarre overreaction to a request for
>> clarification of your reasons for wanting to keep goldelico in control
>> of gta04 production.
> 
> I agree with him. We don't owe the community anything beyond what we
> have voluntarily done or will do.
> 
> In general the offer of Free projects is: look, here is something others have
> piled up in the past years. If you want to use it, please use it. But you are
> obliged to give back your changes to support the community.
> 
> You are argueing from an egocentric point of view: look, there is something,
> others have piled up in the past years. I want to use it. So they are obliged
> to give me everything I think I need (even if you don't really need it) to support
> me or others.
> 
> At least this is what I read from rah's and your arguments.
> 
> 
>> 
>> The request for clarification was probably not needed though, you have
>> made it fairly clear over a few threads over the years that you aren't
>> interested in making the gta04 "Free Hardware" as rah and myself
>> appear to define it.
> 
> I simply don't believe in the "Free Hardware" ideology.
> 
> The reason is that there is the idea of an "allmende" or "community"
> behind, where everyone gets back as much as he/she invests by
> volunteer work. This is good - in theory.
> 
> With Free Hardware I simply don't see that being balanced. I.e. you
> can't expect to get back enough high quality volunteer contributions
> from the general public to balance what you have to invest yourself
> to get something 100% done. And hardware must be finished 100%
> at some deadline (contrary to community software projects - just send
> out 3.12-rc4).
> 
> The GTA02-core project has clearly demonstrated that some years ago.
> The engineering community development model does not work for
> hardware. So there is no need for Free hardware licences to regulate
> the interworking of a big worldwide engineering team.
> 
> Let's say it with some perspective: everybody should do what he/she
> can do best. E.g. donate money so that experts can live from that and
> invest their time to develop great hardware that allows to run as much
> free software as possible (and is well enough documented for that
> purpose - but not more). This does not need "Free Hardware" in your
> definition.
> 
>> So end of discussion for me, I'll try to avoid replying to any further
>> mails on the gta04 topic.
> 
> Yes, there is no need for discussions about the "freedom" of GTA04.
> 
> But technical discussions are always welcome.
> 
> -- hns
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