device-owners Digest, Vol 13, Issue 9

Abel Chang changzer at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 15:15:18 CEST 2008 

That's very strange, i did not have any problems attaching my MicroSD
card... and the battery life does pretty well here too.


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>   1. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner (thomasg)
>   2. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner (Marcus Bauer)
>   3. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
>      (Christoph Anton Mitterer)
>   4. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
>      (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
>   5. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner (Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu))
>   6. Re: Cannot re-flash the debug board (X-post from
>      openmoko-devel) (Flemming Richter Mikkelsen)
>   7. Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner (thomasg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:30:15 +0200
> From: thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: "Randy S." <randypower at gmail.com>
> Cc: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID:
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> On 7/11/08, Randy S. <randypower at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I received my FR today and had trouble fitting the microSD card in place.
> >
> > The problem is that the pins in the FR for the SD card are so high that
> the
> > flimsy little cover can't snap down over the SD card. I tried it anyway,
> and
> > put the SIM card in over the SD card to hold it in place.  I booted the
> > device but it never stopped "Registering...". So I removed the SD card
> and
> > now the SIM card seems to sit correctly in place (making contact on all
> of
> > its pins) so at least the device works and registers with the network
> > provider (T-Mobile in San Antonio, Texas).
> >
> > However, I'm running without a memory card.  This is one more thing on
> the
> > list of disappointments with the FR (no complete and stable software, bad
> > battery life, noisy audio during calls).
>
>
> I don't understand how anyone can talk about bad battery life. I did some
> benchmarks for myself:
> WLAN on + GPS on + GSM idle +  Display on + Backlight on 100%: 3 hours 8
> seconds
> WLAN on + GSM idle: > 6 hours
> GSM idle: > 9 hours
>
> This all is without any kind of powermanagement (except the
> backlight-dimming in the last both modes), so no cpufreq, no
> display-turning-off, and _no_ standby!
> This is all but bad, imho it's more or less awsome!
> It can even get better if we send the cpu in powersave modes (cpufreq would
> be fine) and turn the display off when the backlight is off, but even
> without this the freerunner is on the same level as many modern smartphones
> (some nokias do better because of the better SoCs, higher capacity
> batteries
> and way smaller displays).
>
> So maybe there are points to complain (I for myself have the GPS-problem),
> but the battery is definitely not the point.
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:46:55 +0200
> From: Marcus Bauer <marcus.bauer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org
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> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 12:30 +0200, thomasg wrote:
>
> >
> > So maybe there are points to complain (I for myself have the
> > GPS-problem), but the battery is definitely not the point.
>
> Same over here, decent battery life. With heavy usage I get ~4h and I
> usually switch the backlight dimming of because it bothers me a lot more
> than carrying a spare battery.
>
> Compare 4h to any laptop and compare the weight of two extra batteries
> to two extra laptop batteries.
>
> The whole point of a smart phone is being smart and not being in deep
> sleep ;-)
>
> But yes, you can get through a day with one battery.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:38:55 +0200
> From: Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo at scientia.net>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> Cc: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org, "Randy S."
>        <randypower at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <1215776335.4162.46.camel at fermat.scientia.net>
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> I also have a very very bad battery life... even when everything but GSM
> is disabled, I get only about one night :-(
>
>
> Chris.
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:19:02 +1000
> From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster at openmoko.org>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> Cc: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org, "Randy S."
>        <randypower at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <20080711211902.400505a0.raster at openmoko.org>
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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:30:15 +0200 thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> babbled:
>
> > On 7/11/08, Randy S. <randypower at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I received my FR today and had trouble fitting the microSD card in
> place.
> > >
> > > The problem is that the pins in the FR for the SD card are so high that
> the
> > > flimsy little cover can't snap down over the SD card. I tried it
> anyway, and
> > > put the SIM card in over the SD card to hold it in place.  I booted the
> > > device but it never stopped "Registering...". So I removed the SD card
> and
> > > now the SIM card seems to sit correctly in place (making contact on all
> of
> > > its pins) so at least the device works and registers with the network
> > > provider (T-Mobile in San Antonio, Texas).
> > >
> > > However, I'm running without a memory card.  This is one more thing on
> the
> > > list of disappointments with the FR (no complete and stable software,
> bad
> > > battery life, noisy audio during calls).
> >
> >
> > I don't understand how anyone can talk about bad battery life. I did some
> > benchmarks for myself:
> > WLAN on + GPS on + GSM idle +  Display on + Backlight on 100%: 3 hours 8
> > seconds
> > WLAN on + GSM idle: > 6 hours
> > GSM idle: > 9 hours
> >
> > This all is without any kind of powermanagement (except the
> > backlight-dimming in the last both modes), so no cpufreq, no
> > display-turning-off, and _no_ standby!
> > This is all but bad, imho it's more or less awsome!
> > It can even get better if we send the cpu in powersave modes (cpufreq
> would
> > be fine) and turn the display off when the backlight is off, but even
> > without this the freerunner is on the same level as many modern
> smartphones
> > (some nokias do better because of the better SoCs, higher capacity
> batteries
> > and way smaller displays).
> >
> > So maybe there are points to complain (I for myself have the
> GPS-problem),
> > but the battery is definitely not the point.
>
> and power management is improving. my phone has been "suspended" overnight
> on
> my desk - unplugged. i think last i had it plugged into power was about 12
> hours ago - i also was playing with it a bit and a test app i have so it
> was
> active for at least a few minutes being used. gsm is on. wifi is off.
> bluetooth
> off, gps off. it's still at 70% battery. so that means we have at least a
> good
> 36hrs standby - and improving. (probably more like 50hrs as i did spend
> some
> time fiddling with it and using up copious cpu in the process).
>
> --
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster at openmoko.org>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:48:35 +0800
> From: "Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)" <tony at openmoko.com>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> Cc: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org, "Randy S."
>        <randypower at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <48774893.7070701 at openmoko.com>
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>
> Hi Thomas-
>
> >
> > I don't understand how anyone can talk about bad battery life. I did
> > some benchmarks for myself:
> > WLAN on + GPS on + GSM idle +  Display on + Backlight on 100%: 3 hours 8
> > seconds
> > WLAN on + GSM idle: > 6 hours
> > GSM idle: > 9 hours
> >
>
> Could you advise what image set you use? The default shipment image
> should have 100+ hours of suspend/wake up-able time.
>
> http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/images/20080424_gta02_release/
>
> Tony Tu
>
> Openmoko, Support.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:16:48 +0200
> From: "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen" <quatrox at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Cannot re-flash the debug board (X-post from
>        openmoko-devel)
> To: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID:
>        <281216150807110516k24e13124p6934aa19b3d55144 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I have no idea as I didn't have time to use my DB card
> yet, but I hope this will help:
>
> |>
> http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/misc/debug_board_v2/ftdi_eeprom/neo1973_debug_board_v2.eeprom
>
> Shouldn't it be neo1973_debug_board_v3.eeprom? I assume
> you use the new Debug board.
>
> |>First of all I opened the Freerunner and made all the requested
> |>connection between the openmoko and the debug board (the cable and the
> |>USB connector), next I connected the debug board to my PC.
> |>
> |>Reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_board
> |>I see that my USB ID 0403:6010 request I need to reflash the debug board.
>
> Maybe the board should not be connected to the Freerunner
> when reflashing the board.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:55:41 +0200
> From: thomasg <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> Subject: Re: MicroSD card does not fit in Freerunner
> To: tony at openmoko.com
> Cc: device-owners at lists.openmoko.org
> Message-ID:
>        <c16a574a0807110555p6e7695b5t126546936d6b6b88 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) <tony at openmoko.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Thomas-
> >
> >   I don't understand how anyone can talk about bad battery life. I did
> some
> >> benchmarks for myself:
> >> WLAN on + GPS on + GSM idle +  Display on + Backlight on 100%: 3 hours 8
> >> seconds
> >> WLAN on + GSM idle: > 6 hours
> >> GSM idle: > 9 hours
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Could you advise what image set you use? The default shipment image
> should
> > have 100+ hours of suspend/wake up-able time.
> >
> > http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/images/20080424_gta02_release/
> >
> > Tony Tu
> >
> > Openmoko, Support.
> >
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm pretty sure you understood me wrong!
> I wasn't complaining, I was telling my (impressive) results.
> I've completely deactivated any form of power management for the
> battery-sucking test (the test where all available hardware was turned on),
> so I didn't use dim, nor did I use suspend (I called it standby).
> There's no way I could test how long the suspendtime is, because I don't
> want to spend some days without playing with the neo :)
> But it's not hard for me to believe the 100+ hours you're talking about.
>
> Again: The batterylife is not only promising, it's already pretty good, and
> it can still get better!
>
> FYI: I used ASU for the tests, but that shouldn't matter at all.
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