Windows Client Software: The hard truth.

Derick Jones shadow2062 at
Fri Jul 13 05:25:21 CEST 2007

I have no idea how to program and I just "got" into linux because I like the
whole idea, but as windows user for most of my life im so used to point and
click and it happens. Honestly if you want to target this to average people
that's how it has to be. I mean I installed ubuntu and it toke me like 3-4
hours of research just to get my gigabit Ethernet to work because it was
incompatible with the install. The average person isn't going to have that
kind of time to figure out how to sync there neo to their Windows PC. I love
this whole idea of freedom and im sure most people do. But if they don't get
how it works how will they use it? Honestly im devoting a lot of my time
into reading about linux and openmoko simply because I want to learn how to
be free and most people don't know how to even install something in linux.
So unless there's some kind of installer that does everything for them its
going to be a big obstacle to over come. Im just an average user and I love
this because your letting me say what I think even though you have know Idea
who I am and I thank you for that freedom!


Derick Jones


Cant wait to get my Neo so that I may be very frustrated, but gain so much


From: Jeff Andros [mailto:jeff at] 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:54 PM
To: Mark
Cc: openmoko-devel at
Subject: Re: Windows Client Software: The hard truth.


It's not anywhere near that hard.  since we've got a syncML client on the
phone (or at least we will... that's definately a block issue) all we need
is a syncml program for the desktop side.  tossing 'windows syncml -"windows
mobile"' into google gives back results in job-lot quantities... that's
about as far as I got... I'm not really feeling like evaluating them. 

That said, we probably want to have either an official branded desktop
solution (the more crossplatform the better) or at least a recommended
software choice.  I'm sure there is a open source sync program we could talk
to about some kind of partnership.  Not having an official "this will work
with your computer" program would probably be a pretty bad blow to getting
this out to Sean's dad(makes people nervous).  While most open source
programs have really great extension mechanisms, there are a lot of people
who don't want to take the time to set any of that up (how many people do
you know who run firefox stone stock?).  It would be cool to have a list of
desktop software options up on the wiki, but we definitely 

Anyways, I'm really talking out my ear, since I haven't looked at any of the
included apps yet either(are there any yet?... are we just using the desktop
program of your choice?).

On 7/12/07, Mark <markitect at> wrote:

I have to agree; when the phone hits mass availability, the average
user (assuming mass adoption) will be in windows.  That would
effectively make it just another phone to them.  I guess I just
assumed the linux apps were being written to be easily portable when 
the time comes.

I haven't looked at the Linux host apps at all , but as long as they
are gtk based it might not be too painful.  We might also bundle it
with the required cygwin dlls, but personally I hate that solution. 
There may also need to be some driver work, does anyone know if it
will show up as a mass storage device to windows?


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