Experiences with GTA02 and OM2008.12 (was part of the "Brick" thread)

[Wolfgang Spraul]

Mickey,
(in response to Craig)

> The only reply from OM until now was from "Mickey", who wrote the  
> the posting attached below.  As I read it, it screamed to me that OM  
> was trying to quietly drop support for the 01 without saying it  
> directly.  Mickey choose his words very carefully, which I noted  
> when I read it, so that he wasn't flat out saying OM was dropping  
> support.  But he also didn't say they were continuing support either.

I'm very happy you continue to build GTA01 images, thanks a lot! This  
is fully in-line with what Openmoko wants.
Do you have enough GTA01 devices? In Taipei my problem is that I have  
only 1 GTA01 device, Wendy has it for testing.

Please continue with the GTA01 images.
When we are moving towards the Om2009 release, the best would be to  
come out with images for GTA01, GTA02 and GTA03, all at once.

Do you see any problems with GTA01 support in Om2009?
Here is what I can think of:

1. image size - seems we will have no problem, Om2009 should be less  
than 64MB?
2. Qi - not sure where Qi on GTA01 stands, and how risky we believe it  
would be to ask GTA01 users to switch to Qi
3. .28 kernel - not sure exactly what the current status of the .28  
kernel on GTA01 is, but I know some people are working on it
4. building it regularly and testing it - well I guess building is no  
problem for you, you always build GTA01 and GTA02 images, testing  
should be fine Wendy has a fully functional GTA01 in Taipei

Anything else?
Thanks and Best Regards,
Wolfgang

On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Craig Woodward wrote:

>
> ---- Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at openmoko.com> wrote:
>> Repeating rumors again and again still doesn't make them true.
>
> Is this a rumor?  PLEASE CLARIFY.   Will the GTA01 continue to get  
> software support from OM in it's baseline release (OM2xxx series)?
>
> If the answer is yes, then I'm much happier.  If not, then it's just  
> a matter of time before the GTA02 follows the same path of dropped  
> without show-stopping bugs being fixed.  Again, I don't expect  
> perpetual support.  I do expect continued support until the major  
> issues (like ticket 1662) are resolved in a base image.
>
> Within days of the December release there were questions about  
> future GTA01 support, and it was said on the OM list that OM was no  
> longer supporting the GTA01 in the OM2xxx images.  Admittedly, this  
> was said by a non-OM employee (Rod Whitby), but nobody from OM spoke  
> up to correct it.
>
> The only reply from OM until now was from "Mickey", who wrote the  
> the posting attached below.  As I read it, it screamed to me that OM  
> was trying to quietly drop support for the 01 without saying it  
> directly.  Mickey choose his words very carefully, which I noted  
> when I read it, so that he wasn't flat out saying OM was dropping  
> support.  But he also didn't say they were continuing support either.
>
> Think about it for a second.  You have a lot of people that can't  
> get their phone to work reliably with second generation hardware  
> after 8 months of trying.  You have one primary product with your  
> name on it, the OM2xxx image series.  The latest one says it does  
> NOT support the GTA01, with no comment about if future versions will  
> again support it.  And when the question is asked, we get a vague  
> answer about how the GTA01 doesn't need OM for new updates, followed  
> by crickets.
>
> So I ask again:  Will OM support GTA01 in future baseline OM2xxx  
> releases?  Yes, or No.
>
>
>
>
> ---- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at openmoko.org> wrote:
> =============
> I don't want to comment on whether Openmoko should do more work on  
> GTA01 or
> rather concentrate on 02 and 03, but I do want to state that you can't
> compare the usual end-of-support product to an Openmoko end-of-support
> product.
>
> Openmoko not releasing anymore images for 01 is _orders of  
> magnitude_ less of
> a problem than any competitor no longer supporting a model. The  
> reason being
> the paradigmatic openness of Openmoko. Everything is out there -- at  
> your
> fingertips, so to speak -- you can still compile 2009.x for the 01  
> (yes, you
> need to remove some things) or work on exciting new software for it.
>
> U-Boot and the kernel may not receive many more updates, but that's  
> about it.
> For the rest of it, you don't have to rely on Openmoko to get fresh  
> software
> for your GTA01.
>
> Again, while I don't want to comment whether this is right or wrong  
> from
> Openmoko Inc, I hope that it puts things into perspective.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mickey.
>
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