Experiences with GTA02 and OM2008.12 (was part of the "Brick" thread)

[William Kenworthy]

Question: I have 2008.12 and have set the feeds to testing - however I
have seen only one update (I think) to e come through (opkg update;opkg
upgrade).  To get the latest goodies should we reflash then?

root at om-gta02:~# cat /etc/opkg/*             
src/gz daily-Multiverse
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse
src/gz om-dev-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all
arch all 1
arch any 6
arch noarch 11
arch arm 16
arch armv4t 21
arch om-gta02 26
src/gz om-dev-armv4t
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t
src/gz om-dev-om-gta02
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02
root at om-gta02:~#

BillK

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 10:52 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
> Craig,
> 
> > Is this a rumor?  PLEASE CLARIFY.   Will the GTA01 continue to get  
> > software support from OM in it's baseline release (OM2xxx series)?
> 
> Yes. We are trying!
> 
> Just look at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/
> 
> There are images for GTA01 and GTA02, and this is where the base of  
> our next distribution, Om2009, is being built. Right now, it's live.  
> Last build is from January 19, 2009 (today), for both GTA01 and GTA02.
> I hope we can keep the discipline all the way to the actual release,  
> there are many little details and bumps on the road.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Wolfgang
> 
> On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Craig Woodward wrote:
> 
> >
> > ---- Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at openmoko.com> wrote:
> >> Repeating rumors again and again still doesn't make them true.
> >
> > Is this a rumor?  PLEASE CLARIFY.   Will the GTA01 continue to get  
> > software support from OM in it's baseline release (OM2xxx series)?
> >
> > If the answer is yes, then I'm much happier.  If not, then it's just  
> > a matter of time before the GTA02 follows the same path of dropped  
> > without show-stopping bugs being fixed.  Again, I don't expect  
> > perpetual support.  I do expect continued support until the major  
> > issues (like ticket 1662) are resolved in a base image.
> >
> > Within days of the December release there were questions about  
> > future GTA01 support, and it was said on the OM list that OM was no  
> > longer supporting the GTA01 in the OM2xxx images.  Admittedly, this  
> > was said by a non-OM employee (Rod Whitby), but nobody from OM spoke  
> > up to correct it.
> >
> > The only reply from OM until now was from "Mickey", who wrote the  
> > the posting attached below.  As I read it, it screamed to me that OM  
> > was trying to quietly drop support for the 01 without saying it  
> > directly.  Mickey choose his words very carefully, which I noted  
> > when I read it, so that he wasn't flat out saying OM was dropping  
> > support.  But he also didn't say they were continuing support either.
> >
> > Think about it for a second.  You have a lot of people that can't  
> > get their phone to work reliably with second generation hardware  
> > after 8 months of trying.  You have one primary product with your  
> > name on it, the OM2xxx image series.  The latest one says it does  
> > NOT support the GTA01, with no comment about if future versions will  
> > again support it.  And when the question is asked, we get a vague  
> > answer about how the GTA01 doesn't need OM for new updates, followed  
> > by crickets.
> >
> > So I ask again:  Will OM support GTA01 in future baseline OM2xxx  
> > releases?  Yes, or No.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at openmoko.org> wrote:
> > =============
> > I don't want to comment on whether Openmoko should do more work on  
> > GTA01 or
> > rather concentrate on 02 and 03, but I do want to state that you can't
> > compare the usual end-of-support product to an Openmoko end-of-support
> > product.
> >
> > Openmoko not releasing anymore images for 01 is _orders of  
> > magnitude_ less of
> > a problem than any competitor no longer supporting a model. The  
> > reason being
> > the paradigmatic openness of Openmoko. Everything is out there -- at  
> > your
> > fingertips, so to speak -- you can still compile 2009.x for the 01  
> > (yes, you
> > need to remove some things) or work on exciting new software for it.
> >
> > U-Boot and the kernel may not receive many more updates, but that's  
> > about it.
> > For the rest of it, you don't have to rely on Openmoko to get fresh  
> > software
> > for your GTA01.
> >
> > Again, while I don't want to comment whether this is right or wrong  
> > from
> > Openmoko Inc, I hope that it puts things into perspective.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Mickey.
> >
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> >
> 
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